Wednesday, 10 October 2012

1 doctor for every 75 HPs ATOS PIP PROPOSAL

The Doctors Ratio is appalling

Anyone interested in PIP tender by ATOS.
This i'm assured is FACT.

Anita said:

I am giving you a scoop. I discussed with DPAC and it is okay if I communicate this document. I managed to put my hands on PIP Atos tenders. I am copying just a bit of the document, and I would like you to spread as widely as you can the fact that ATOS has planned to have 750 HPs and only 10 doctors, 1 doctor for every 75 HPs. I will also contact other people about this

Question : How many HPs we anticipate will be needed to deliver PIP in Lot 1 

Based on the Authority’s volume assumptions for Lot 1, we anticipate that we will need to 
utilise over 750 HPs over the life of the contract to deliver all of the PBRs and face to face 
assessments. The vast majority of HPs will be either nurses or physiotherapists, and they will 
be supplemented by occupational therapists and doctors. The proportions of HPs is as follows: 
500 Physiotherapists, 200 Nurses, 40 Occupational Therapists, and 10 Doctors. The rationale 
for this approach is based upon our knowledge and experience of the clinical requirement, the 
availability of the HP we have chosen, the cost differentials between the types of HPs, the 
existing presence of appropriate skills across the clinical professions and the desire for this 
work following contact with the types of HPs within our partner organisations. 

Many Thanks Anita. 


  1. It's not the low number of doctors that bothers me as much as the huge number of physios. Assessment isn't about treatment, yet that's what physios are concerned with professionally.

  2. How many psychiatrists or other mental health professionals will be employed by ATOS? Wouldn't want to discriminate against those with mental health problems? Do we really want dangerous psychopaths working in supermarkets and such, just because physically, they may be able to do that job? What about the danger to the public? Will employers public liability insurance cover stuff like that? Does ATOS even care about employers at all?

  3. I'm even less convinced they will be able to acurately assess a person with an Autistic Spectrum Disorder than before I read this. Not even all doctors can accurately assess a person with Autistic Spectrum Disorder- it needs a specialist.

    1. Thank you for bringing that up.

      They could have one ASD specialist that assesses all the ASD folk in an area in one go, and they could travel around. It'd be cheaper than employing many all over the country.

  4. As I was saying Jules, this further exposes the sham nature of this ideological project. It is really an insurance industry claims adjusting effort clothed in white coats for the appearance of medical authority. I can easily imagine fresh out of training physios with no experience (and huge student loans to repay) being pressured by financial incentives to deny disabilities on an hourly basis. I mean is 75 : 1 ratio acceptable in any genuine healthcare setting doing primary diagnoses? No. This is a genocidal level of disregard for the wellbeing of people.

  5. Coming back to the first commentator, Sam, patients trust doctors more than occupational therapists, or nurses or physiotherapists, not necessarily because doctors are better trained or informed but because they are accountable, as they have signed an oath and committed themselves that they would do no harm. Atos's doctors are doing a lot of harm which I found difficult to accept, because it is not reconcilable with the oath they have taken.